In this RoundTable session I am joined by Bishop Jamie Englehart and Pastor Jake Stringer and we discuss some incredibly important issues from the so-called Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24. A few of the things covered were:
-how Church history has always attested that Matt. 24 was completely fulfilled in the 1st Century
-how both Scripture and history (such as the writings of Josephus and Eusebius, for example) both clearly teach the fulfillment of the events of Matt. 24
-how John N. Darby invented Dispensationalism in the 1830’s and began teaching the new ideas of a secret rapture and that Matt. 24 is still awaiting fulfillment some time in the future
-why we shouldn’t try to interpret Eschatology with the daily news headlines but rather how we should interpret scripture with scripture
-the importance of studying out these issues for ourselves in an objective manner and not blindly taking the words of others (including our favorite preachers)
-and much more!
But, one of the most important we discussed is how Eschatology is not a secondary or peripheral issue concerning the Gospel but rather it’s a very, very important area in the things of God that will bring great freedom and untold blessings to our lives as well as the lives of our loved ones when properly understood! Eschatology isn’t an unrelated-to-daily-life, somewhere-far-off-in-the-future, abstract issue. Rather, Eschatology is the completion of God’s redemption plan! Eschatology is as related to our daily lives as grace, faith, prayer, forgiveness, etc. are!
In this Unity in Diversity interview I am joined by Dr. Don Keathley. Dr. Keathley has served in ministry for many years, nearly 50 of which he served in pastoral ministry. In this interview he shares his background in which he pastored as a Nazarene pastor, then transitioned into the Charismatic as well as Word of Faith movements, and then he came into a revelation and message of God’s grace. From there, he eventually came into the Trinitarian theology formulated by Karl Barth and T.F. Torrance. Since then, Don founded Global Grace Seminary, of which he both President and Founder. Currently, Don expends his efforts reaching people via his online ministry, most notably through his Digital Cathedral, a Sunday morning online broadcast, as well as a Wednesday evening Bible Study he does on his Facebook ministry page.
In this RoundTable session, myself and Pastor Larry Martinez, Pastor Jamey Escamilla, and Bro. Jermaine Thomas discuss many issues surrounding the important biblical topic of Eschatology.
In this discussion we look at many issues from both Scripture as well as Church history concerning things such as:
-the origins of Dispensationalims (Left Behind theology” and the “secret rapture”
-Matthew 24 and what Jesus meant by “this generation”
-Several issues from the book Revelation
-What Peter meant by “judgement must begin at the house of God”
and much more! This entire conversation is intended to be communicated in nothing by good-natured brotherly love towards all of our brothers and sisters in Christ and hope that it is heard and received that way!
In all my years in the Charismatic church world (since I came to faith in 2004) I’ve seen the devastating effects of the “spiritual covering” doctrine first hand. This false teaching really emerged in the 80’s and was also known as the “Shepherding Movement.”
If you’re unfamiliar with this teaching then…good! Nonetheless, this teaching basically and essentially asserts that “the people” of a church, ministry, etc. are under the “covering” of the minister/leadership and thus they must FULLY “submit to” and obey the “spiritual covering” that God has placed you under and that failure to obey your “spiritual covering” is literally failure to obey God Himself. Here are some of the ways that this teaching is propagated:
-God would never disagree with your Spiritual Covering that He has placed you under. Therefore, to disagree with your Covering IS to disagree with God.
-Jesus is the Shepherd of the Church and the pastor of your church is your “Under Shepherd.” So you must obey your Under Shepherd just as you would your Shepherd (Jesus).
-If God ever wants you to leave the ministry that you’re currently at, He will tell the Covering/Leadership first.
-If you disobey your Spiritual Covering then you will get outside of the umbrella of God’s protection and you will be an open target for the devil.
These kinds of statements essentially encapsulate the idea of this teaching but the effects of it can be very far reaching. It goes so far sometimes that some Spiritual Coverings decide who can marry or not marry whom in their congregations, which cars the parishioners should buy, etc. It also gets into silly mindsets and ideas such as:
-the “anointed” leaders are too anointed, holy, and special to be around the “sheep” b/c if they do then the “sheep” will get “too familiar” with the “Covering.” (Of course, if getting close to a leader causes you to lose respect for them then the problem lies with the “Covering” not the “sheep”)
It gets so bad that people can’t even visit other churches or conferences b/c the Covering is scared that “their people” will be drawn to those other churches/ministries instead of staying “under their Covering.”
In a nutshell, this completely unbiblical teaching is nothing more than a form demonic witchcraft that gives leadership complete control over people’s lives. And when you experience and see it firsthand you realize that it’s no small matter to say the least! This false teaching has a MASSIVE list of casualties!
In one sense it’s kind of baffling and inexplicable that people buy into this absurd, false teaching because of how thoroughly, completely, utterly unbiblical it is. But, then again, it is understandable because people generally have some kind of trust and respect for the leadership that they find themselves under the influence of. And it’s more understandable given that it’s so prevalent in Charismatic churches b/c people see the Gifts of the Spirit operating through the ministers so they naturally assume that whatever they say must be endorsed by God, b/c after all, He does miracles through them.
Of course, by no means do all Charismatics teach this doctrine. For example, Bro. Hagin spoke out against this false teaching on his Ministry Gifts series and referred to it as “bunk and bologna.” Pat Robertson also spoke out strongly against it saying that this teaching was ‘witchcraft’ and said the only difference between the discipleship group and Jonestown was ‘Kool-Aid.’
So, i would highly recommend and strongly encourage anyone to stay away from this dangerous, demonic false, unbiblical teaching. There are indeed true, legit spiritual mothers and fathers out there that will love you, help you, guide you, encourage you, etc. without the baggage of manipulation and control. There are leaders who will serve you instead of demanding that you serve them. If necessary, pray for the Lord to bring such people into your life and He will. And we should also pray for all the people caught up in this terrible and unsound teaching, both the leaders and the congregations.
Metaphors & The True Nature of God
When reading Holy Scripture it’s very obvious that the inspired authors used many metaphors when trying to describe God and His nature. But, not everything said about God is a metaphor. So, how do we decide upon which things are more on the metaphor side and which things are more literally accurate?
Answer: we take God’s own word and example for it. Jesus is God giving us His own opinion of Himself. And according to Jesus, the eternal, Triune God IS perfect Love, Mercy, Grace, and Goodness.
Rightly Dividing the Word and Reading the Bible “Literally”
Many precious Believers pride themselves on reading the Bible “literally.” In other words, they read their preferred English translation and supposedly take everything at the surface level, face value reading. This is sometimes referred to as “wooden-literalism.”
Of course, NO ONE reads the Bible in its entirety in that kind of “literalism” and nor should they. For example, in Joshua 10:1-15 we see that through Joshua’s prayer/command that both the sun and moon stood still. Well, if we take that in a wooden-literal sense then that basically means nothing b/c the sun and moon “stand still” already. And btw, if we’re going to be “literal” then the sun and moon must have legs since they “stand” still, right? But, we understand the point of the story. Based on the pre-scientifc understanding of the author it seemed from their vantage point that the sun/moon “stood still.” Of course, something else was going on.
Another example could be found in Rev. 6:13 which says, “And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.” If we take this “literally” then that would basically be the end of human history as we know it b/c if even one star fell to the earth then…BOOM…WE GONE…THE END! But, of course, there is something else being communicated and we should not read this in a wooden-literal sense as Revelation has several more chapters after chp. 6.
Ultimately it’s extremely important when reading Scripture that we understand what kind of literature that we are reading. And that, btw, is what “literally” actually means: according to the literature. Should some scriptures be read and understood in a wooden-literal sense? Yes, of course. But, should MANY portions of Scripture be read through other literary lenses? YES!!! As a matter of fact, Jesus and Paul read and interpreted Holy Scripture through the lens of signs, symbols, parables, prophetic images, metaphors, allegories, hyperbole, idioms/figures of speech, and the like, at least as much, if not more, than they did through a wooden-literal sense. And if that was good enough for Paul and Jesus then it should certainly be good enough for us! And if we fail to ascertain then this vitally important truth then it will simply not be possible for us to “rightly divide the word of truth.”